SV: {UAH} ZAFFONI: Mao, Mbabazi, Besigye, Bukenya
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Hanna,
WHAT IS THE BASE OF THAT ASSERTION SO THAT WE DO NOT CONSIDER IT AS RUBBISH?
It is about the same as the support in the NRM that Col Besigye asserted first time around, isn't it?
Noc'la gaumoy
"WE FORM THE CULTURE THAT FORMS US"….noc'la gaumoy.
Den måndag, 28 september 2015 11:58 skrev 'Hannah Ogwapiti' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>:
5 million in NRM will reject Museveni, says Mbabazi
On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joseph Musoke <joseph.musoke@ymail.com> wrote:
--HarrietMy point was that there in no need to get one candidate by forcing Dr Besigye to stand down for Mr Mbabazi. Such a backroom deal would annoy some supporters of Dr Besigye. The only danger in having multiple opposition candidates is that they can turn on each other and start attacking each other.You say that Mr Mbabazi has better luck winning in 2016. But you have to remember that he has repeatedly said that he has not left NRM. The NRM has its own official candidate, Mr Museveni. Have you seen any evidence that members of the NRM are going to support Mr Mbabazi over Mr Museveni?I also doubt Mr Mbabazi's democratic credentials. People in Egypt backed the military in the hope that they had changed, but see what is going on there now.Finally, I doubt very much that reforms will occur in Uganda via elections. The politicians in Uganda are mostly self-centered. They cross from party to party without regard to principle.thanksFrom: Harriet Zaffoni <unaa@memberclicks-mail.net>
To: joseph.musoke@ymail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 9:15 AM
Subject: UNAALIST Mao, Mbabazi, Besigye, Bukenya
Joseph,Not sure what you are saying about the facts of Ugandan politics today but with the look of things, it's better for the party to have one candidate (that is if they can agree). The more candidates out there, the less their chances of beating NRM.Looks like history has taught us nothing really and we continue to do the same mistakes over and over again no wonder one man has ruled us for over 20 years!I'm glad that Mao has left that stage in good faith.I also agree that Mbabazi has better luck to win In 2016 due to his affiliations and backend support financially however, he has not done the work and it's unfair that these two or three guys have been working so hard for years now here comes the boy Mbabazi and he is given the golden egg:) Lol. However, if he has the chance to take over the current government, then be it.Unity is the only way they can try and beat NRM but if they continue to disagree on that, Museveni is laughing at them all the way to the bank.Cheers
Harriet ZaffoniHarkiss DesignsLend a Hand Uganda-USASent from my iPadI have to confess that I am not really surprised by the chorus of people calling on Besigye to stand down for Mbabazi. Obviously some of those people are doing it out of genuine hope that Mbabazi would win (Dr Muniini?). But many others are doing it out of self interest (Mao?)Dr Muniini references the Kenyan situation where opposition parties ganged up together to secure victory (though he is wrong that they won against Moi). Dr Muniini comparison to Kenya is not appropriate for Uganda because unlike Uganda's constitution, Kenya's constitution did not require the winner to get at least 51% of the votes. That is why Moi would win with less than 40% of the vote. Therefore, it made sense for Kenyan parties to form a coalition. In Uganda, one has to win at least 51% of the vote. Therefore, there is no urgent need for a backroom deal to force out Besigye. Let each leader go and compete. If none of them gets 51% of the vote, then there will be a run off between the top two candidates. That is better than a backroom deal to force out someone that won democratic primaries for the largest party. Ordinarily, the leader of the largest party is the one that leads a coalition. That is why I laughed when I saw a picture of Mbabazi, Mao Bukenya and Besigye sitting at a desk to seek consensus.Mao: in 2011, Mao got just 1.86% of the vote. He knows that there is no way both Besigye and Mbabazi would be running mates becuase they come from the same region....so he probably angling for a position as VP to Mbabazi...so he has an incentive to attack Besigye's refusal to stand down for Mbabazi.Bukenya: Bukenya has not shown that he has grassroots support beyond his district. As recent as July, he said that he was willing to back to NRM if Museveni called him. Why would TDA consider such a person to determine the next leader of the coalition?Mbabazi: as Mao aptly put it, when some one converts to your religion, you do not appoint that person as the leader of the religion, especially if they state openly that they are not leaving their religion! Mbabazi has been clear that he is in NRM. So the TDA would be telling voters to vote for NRM against NRM?Dr Muniini seems to suggest that Mbabazi will bring in lots of voters from the NRM. But I have not read about any hoards of voters deserting NRM to join Mbabazi. Are they waiting for him to lead the TDA before they join him? Such voters would only come if Mbabazi is a leader of the TDA? He held huge rallies in the east but he acknowledged that he did it on the back of FDC and other parties (http://www.observer.ug/news-headlines/39753-how-nandala-mafabi-aided-mbabazi)Let Mbabazi run on his own and get those voters. If there is a run-off and Mbabazi is not one of the 2 candidates facing each other, then Mbabazi will hopefully ask his voters to fall behind the opposition candidate. Hoping that Mbabazi's unknown NRM supporters will remain with the opposition after the first round is better than hoping that Mbabazi will draw hoards of voters if he leads the TDA. More importantly, forcing Mbabazi down the throats of Besigye supporters might cost the TDA votes that would not be revered by the unknown Mbabazi supporters. The TDA has the benefit of knowing that Besigye has angry supporters that don't want him to stand down. But the TDA had no knowledge of any NRM members that Mbabazi will bring to the TDA. Why risk to give up a known vote in favor of an unknown vote? If the TDA is to take a risk, wouldn't it make better sense to risk losing the unknown than the known vote? As the English say: "a bird in hand is better than two in the bush". In Luganda, we say: "eri mu ngabo...ye nswa".I am one of those pessimists that think that the opposition will not win elections. I think change will occur as a results of demonstrations. We all know that Bukenya and Mao will not lead demonstrations. We also know that Mbabazi does not have the stomach to challenge the police. If he is cheated, will be be able to lead demonstrations? On two occasions, he has been told to cancel his consultations and he humbly agreed. Another time, he was stopped on the way to a rally and he humbly agreed to go spend several hours at a police station "for his protection".The TDA should conduct primaries to help opposition parties choose a candidate for each constituency. That is necessary role because there is 51% requirement for parliament positions.Finally, Dr Muniini mentions that new members should be treated the same way as old ones...that is true to an extent. That is i was surprised that Wasswa Birigwa who just joined FDC in January, 2015 was elected to National Chairman in June, 2015 and then sent to TDA to make decisions on behalf of FDC! In Uganda politics where people cross from party to party without regard to principle, why would FDC trust such a person? When he run for Mayor of Kla in 2002, he controversially stood down in favor of NRM's Wasswa Ziritwawula...then he was allegedly rewarded with an ambassadorial posts until January, 2015!For a faster response please contact me at 415.789.6427sent from SONY Z3 on Vodafone's LTE Network!
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