{UAH} Burial saga piting Tororo and Tooro

Annet,

You mean you had got disillusioned by my admission of the loss? 

Peter Simon

On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 'Annet' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Simon

Atleast east now your talking. 

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021, 11:38 Simon Okurut, <sspokurut@gmail.com> wrote:

Annet,

YES, I am.

Peter Simon

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 'Annet' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Simon,

I take it your still a man ...please say yes...your manhood did not end those days after burrying your mtoher.. your still.a.man i believe 

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021, 01:41 Gwokto La'Kitgum, <ethemokinn@gmail.com> wrote:

We forget one aspect of Luo burial unless it stopped along the Luo migration path in Acholiland

Just as Prof Okurut said, it shouldn't matter where one is buried. Either way, a Luo can also be buried in two places without missing a limb. 

Read this.

Luo people have the practice of sending a dead member's spirit home in cases the body can't be transported. And how is this done, is the question a nonLuo may ask.

The late's belonging, say his clothes- a shirt of pair of pants is made available to the family. A grave is dug and the piece of cloth is buried in it following a few calls to the spirit by elders and a few medicine men or women to make sure the spirit is around and within to accompany personal property to be buried. That way, not all is lost.

When I first notice not only Luo people perform this ritual was when an Italian priest died in Kalongo. He had asked to be buried in Kalongo but his eyeglasses be sent home to Italy to his family. His request was obliged to.

In the Tooro-Tororo case man's body could be laid to either of the two homes with the Acholi practice ensuring he has two dwelling.

An Acholi friend passed in in Ottawa more than a couple years ago. It was us to send any of his belongings home bcos due to certain constraints he body wouldn't be sent home

But a problem quickly arose. His exwife couldn't allow any of us access to his personal belongings to retrieve just one personal item - including his passport. From what I heard but didn't confirm, his passport was delivered to the high commission bcos passports typically are properties of a state or country. When one kicks the bucket it necessarily gets returned to government.

Let the Jap rest in his ancestral crib but spirit shared withTooro. An Acholi elder could be approached to perform the needful.

Another way Acholi also bury was told me by my old woman. A grass is pulled from the family traditional hut and buried. Yeap, a single grass.

Problem solved.

On Wed., Mar. 3, 2021, 8:02 p.m. Simon Okurut, <sspokurut@gmail.com> wrote:

Nockrach,

Just only one "R" is disturbing 2 clans. "ToRoro" and "Tooro".

 I have been to "Gweri" in Tooro where the late is said to have a farm. Interestingly enough, the parish chief at the time was actually Etesot/Mutoro man born in Gweri  Soroti but went to his mother's place, he was very fluent in Ateso. In 2000, I met his brother in Soroti and we spent a lot of time together.

I think where one is buried is not very important unless for mark stones purposes for land issues where graves are used to indicate ownership, " my so and so was buried here...!" We still use such arguments in Teso.

Peter Simon

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 'Owor Kipenji' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:

The way we prefer to use blanket statements is the very reason we still lie

below Maslow's  hierarchy of needs.

In pre colonial times it was okay for men to belong to their clans but when 

colonialist brought their schooling systems to us and we embraced it,we literally

shed of some of these ethnic appendages.

What is surprising is that we are rush in quoting the SM Otieno case of 1987 and we

choose not to quote what happened to the Kenyan veteran politician Peter Habenga 

Okondo who on death had a woman from his ethnic group claiming to have been his

"traditional" wife and therefore wanted her late husband buried according to the cultural

way and not cremated as his bonafide wife stated was his will.

The rest is history because tradition was slow footed and got nothing.

For this late Lawyer,what really matters is whether they had children and where those children

intend to spend the rest of their lives.

My son almost got marooned in marrying from Tooro till the family had to get a letter indicating his

Adhola heritage,because they believed his mom who happens to be a Mumasaba was the one

he believes in.

So much as Luos left their carbon in Tooro,their descendants are indeed very very very traditional.

In the present day situations,there are things we should allow freedom.

The late Bishop and Evangelist Festo Kivengere used to preach that in Matters of importance pertaining

to our Faith,we must show unity,In matters coincidental to our faith we show allow Freedom and in all other

matters we should show Love.

That is the only way we shall forge ahead.Whether this late lawyer is buried in Tooro or Tororo still remains

that he is buried.

Kipenji

On Wednesday, 3 March 2021, 18:10:16 GMT-5, reggaelucjion soulafunk <reggaelucjion.soulafunk@gmail.com> wrote:

Pojim & Simon

In the Reciprocal case, they don't require a witness?

I went through a similar case situation a decade back that ended up in Courts both in Africa and in Europe.

Noc

Den ons 3 mars 2021 kl 20:25 skrev 'Edward Pojim' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>:

Noc;

A Will doesn't have to be in writing for it to be valid. 

There are two kinds of Wills that are oral and enforceable: Nuncupative and Reciprocal Wlls. The first one covers service troops; a soldier is shot and is about to die, and gives instructions to the nearest colleague about his Wishes. Reciprocal Wills are what spouses tell each other in confidence, about how they wish to be buried and their property distributed.

Mrs. Kasango is likely invoking the Reciprocal Will here. That's fine. However, as we saw in the Kenyan case, our culture overides Wills when it comes to last resting place. 

Pojim

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 11:08:28 AM PST, reggaelucjion soulafunk <reggaelucjion.soulafunk@gmail.com> wrote:

Ojame Pojim

Very sad indeed yet, good precedence. Such wishes should be documented legally!!!

Without any document to support her claim, the widow's assertion appears invalid.

Noc'l

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Den ons 3 mars 2021 kl 19:15 skrev 'Edward Pojim' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>:

Folks;

The prison death of convicted lawyer, Robert Kasango, has created a dangerous storm in the confluence of tribal traditions and the English laws. 

His widow says the lawyer's wish was to be buried in Tooro, where they had built a home. His family says he must be buried in his ancentral home in West Budama, Tororo.

This afternoon, journalist Andrew Mwenda and MP Odoi Fox, for the two tribes, met with the two families to seek a solution to this standoff.

The case, of course, is a replay of the Kenyan case of the early 1980's that invloved lawyer, SM Otieno, a Luo, and his widow, Wambui Otieno, a Kikuyu. Otieno's clan, Omira Kager of Alego in Siaya District, contested  Wambui's plans to bury her hushand near Nairobi. The High Court ruled in the clan's favor, and SM Otieno was buried in Nyalgunga, in Siaya.

Mrs. Kasango should listen to the cries of her husband's family. 

An African man belongs to his clan and tribe. Our culture has always been maintained and fostered through patriarchal line, where sons inherit family land and customs. A girl is expected to marry away from home, and become part of her husband' family. Even cosmopolitan male Africans were transported back to their bucolic homes for burial. The married women are buried at their marital homes.

Mrs. Kasango will remain part of her husband's family, even if she chooses to remain in their house in Tooro. This burial dispute is not about conflicting traditions between our two tribes; it's about the interpretation of African traditions. 

Pojim

https://www.monitor.co.ug/uganda/news/national/widow-blames-kasango-s-death-on-judiciary-prisons-3310726

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