SV: {UAH} Post-NRM regime will be a shared achievement.
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Hallå,
Just så we know we are all taking about the same thing(S), what is
"post-NRM regime"?
Does that equate "Post- President Musseveni regime"?!?!?
Best rgds
Noc'l
"WE FORM THE CULTURE THAT FORMS US"….noc'la gaumoy.
Den lördag, 26 juli 2014 1:34 skrev Eric Kashambuzi <kashambuzieric@gmail.com>:
Let us be serious. When you have been in government taking decisions about life and death and when your turn comes along you run out and quickly claim to be the leader without accountability or even bothering to understand what has been going on. There are people who are only concerned about roving NRM without bothering to think about the new government. We really don't really need another military government.
On Jul 25, 2014 10:11 AM, "'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community" <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> FN,
>
> You raise very important observations especially about those considered late joiners! Eric might have had good intentions when he stated that issue but he needs to explain it better. Who really has a record of people and their contributions to regime change? Should we give the Kony, Peter Otai or those in jail accused of trying to overthrow NRM, the leadership since they began the struggle much earlier than UDU (2011)?
>
> And some late comers are so technical and know exactly how to cause a meaningful change and if their ideas work, shouldn't they take the credit? We could also argue that the "senior" liberators do not deserve too much respect since their methods failed to cause change for example, Kony has been fighting for the last 20 years without end, so why should some people think because they began mobilizing earlier, they deserve better? Suppose gen. Sejusa and some guys launch a military offensive and really shake Kampala, will colleagues Eric and Ocaya run to stop them saying, "No, no, stop here, you came late?"
>
> I think we should assess what people bring to the liberation table not basing on when they mooted the idea of liberation. We should welcome all ideas and persons willing to contribute and no discrimination whatsoever be visited on any Ugandan.
> In my view, Gen. Sejusa is a very good asset toward the project; he has what it means to create a rapid disintegration of the current Kampala establishment.
>
> On your concerns about choice of presidential commission regionally, I think Eric is correct because it draws ideas from all corners of the country besides bringing unity and ownership of the leadership. We have qualified people all over the country. The only problem is that people are scared of coming up to show their presidential qualities; even those ones like Amama Mbabazi are denying their ambitions because of fear. Ring-fencing of positions by individuals is for guarding against competition which would deny them rulership because of their mediocrity; some candidates are better qualified than those claiming to be better. If we were asked to propose names, I could give a list of at least 20 potential members to choose from,5 from each region. This is where the vetting committee comes to play a major role of ensuring that we put in place respectable Ugandans to nurture the baby.
>
> On exposure whether past or post independence, there is no doubt that little has been done to provide the truth about our country. Facts, myth, malice, opinions, dreams and the like have all been mixed up with one aim, to discredit the previous regime in order to get support, so Eric is kind of right to state that there is lack of exposure, the only problem is that he singled only one period in our history.
>
> Otherwise, this is good, we should discuss more of this stuff. I am ready and qualified to serve in most areas of development.
>
> Peter Simon
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:29:08 PM, 'Federica Nshemereirwe' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Eric,
>
> I agree with you on this well meaning trend of thought. However, I differ on three points:
>
> I. When you mention those who joined later, you remind me of the NRM historicals who loaded it over others and claimed more privileges! Don't let this happen this time. It shouldn't matter when one joined. Not all people have same kind of understanding or source of information to do things at the same time. In the bible, even those who came at the eleventh hour got the same wages.
> 2. I don't agree that we base the selection of the presidential commission on four regions. That could be a ground for selecting Incompetent people just because hey are from a certain region. In any case what are the four regions of Uganda ? For instance if you say eastern, will you get a Mugisu, itesot, or a musoga? Then what will the Basimika say? Selection should be based on leadership qualities!
> 3.when you say children born after 1986 have not been exposed to uganda's post independence violence which ones do you refer to. As far as I know children from northern Uganda, eastern and Ruwenzori region have all been exposed to violence in the roast possible way. Remember kichwamba, mukura, all northern uganda!?
>
> That is my submission.
>
> FN
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 8:32 PM, Frank Mujabi <frank.mujabi21@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Eric
>>
>> WHO will be holding the gun in the transition?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 22 Jul 2014, at 01:08, Eric Kashambuzi <kashambuzieric@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fellow Ugandans, we see there are people who are now beginning to claim that they are "game changers" when they joined the opposition not long ago, some of them having served the NRM regime in senior positions until recently and possibly responsible by commission, omission or delegation for crimes against humanity. On the other hand, there are those who have been in serious struggle immediately after the 2011 stolen elections.
>>> UDU which was created in July 2011 has been working tirelessly to mobilize Ugandans at home and abroad for a peaceful change of regime in the first instance. We have written to all sectors of the population including the military and the police, gender, youth, civil society organization and religious leaders etc. urging them to join the opposition. Therefore those late comers who are now claiming that their success is within sight need to think again.
>>> While we welcome everybody to join those struggling for regime change, we must avoid a situation where late comers may be tempted to claim victory the winner-take –all style. We should avoid what happened in Ethiopia immediately before the imperial regime collapsed in 1974.
>>> For those who may not know, the revolution in Ethiopia was launched by ordinary people in urban and rural areas including women and youth particularly the poor, landless, unemployed and hungry. They were joined by taxi drivers protesting the rising price of oil that quadrupled in late 1973. They were then joined by students and later workers.
>>> When the regime was about to fall as is about to happen in Uganda, the military stepped in and captured power and ignored those that had been struggling and preparing the country for a regime change. The civilians claimed the right to form the government because they were the ones who mobilized the population. When the army refused, a long civil war ensued, resulting in heavy casualties.
>>> In Uganda, we should avoid what happened in Ethiopia and embrace the Filipino model of People Power, where civilians and military people that opposed the government of Ferdinand Marcos joined hands and removed it from power peacefully.
>>> Additionally, to avoid post NRM political instability, or even a civil war as we discussed and agreed in The Hague we should reflect on Uganda's chaotic history since independence and be creative. The institutions we inherited at independence haven't served Uganda well. To do things better after NRM has exited, we should set up a transitional government with all Ugandans participating except criminals within and without NRM. Then the new government should be led by a presidential team of at least four people each drawn from the four regions of Uganda. We should also avoid getting people from the same group scattered in all parts of the country. Those who have jumped NRM ship and are now claiming to lead the opposition need to be scrutinized very carefully to establish whether they have genuinely left NRM or still working for it and want to weaken the opposition and maintain the status quo. Furthermore, joining hands with the devil to create a critical mass for regime change is the wrong way to go because once the regime is changed the wolves will turn against the sheep, witness post-Moshi in-fighting soon after the late Lule formed the government.
>>> The transitional government besides running the day to day affairs of state should amend the constitution as appropriate or govern under a transitional charter. It should conduct a population census to give the latest demographic characteristics for registering voters, planning for poverty reduction, building institutions such as schools and clinics according to the population characteristics in different parts of the country. Then there should be a national convention to decide how Ugandans wish to be governed.
>>> National institutions including the public service commission, security forces, and the relationship among the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government should be reviewed to reestablish separation of powers and checks and balances and to make sure that one person in any institution does not accumulate power into his/her hands and dictate to others.
>>> The transitional government should set up a truly independent electoral commission agreed to by all legitimate groups to prepare for free and fair multi-party elections at an appropriate time.
>>> An independent vetting commission for presidential and parliamentary candidates should also be established to weed out those not qualified to contest elections. Profiles would be established for presidential and parliamentary candidates.
>>> Winner take all politics, one person as president, one person as chair of public service commission and senior security officials from one group or a few regions should be abandoned and replaced by collective decision making apparatus as is practiced in Switzerland, a country whose federal institutions were built from the ground up. These proposed governance arrangements if implemented might have a better chance of creating peaceful and inclusive societies to avoid post-NRM crisis undermining economic development and social progress.
>>> The Hague process that brought Ugandans together from home and in the diaspora and met for the first time in The Hague (The Netherlands) in November 2013 has already begun mobilizing Ugandans along these lines. The ideas of a transitional government, presidential team and national convention have already received strong support at home and abroad. Methods for peaceful regime change were distributed to The Hague process members after the London conference that took place at the end of June, 2014. They accompany an agreed upon roadmap for regime change and formation of a transitional government.
>>> Those born after 1986 have not had the opportunity to be exposed to Uganda's bloody history since independence. NRM government has minimized providing information about Uganda's post-independent history because it has participated in some of the ugly events it would not want to be associated with. Those who ignore history are bound to repeat its ugly commissions and/or omissions. UDU and The Hague process will continue to conduct civic education including on Uganda's history.
>>> For those who want to know about Uganda's history and what UDU has done including preparing a National Recovery Plan and diplomatic networking are advised to visit www.udugandans.org.
>>> Not least, Uganda belongs to all the citizens who were born free and equal in rights and dignity and all are subject to the rule of law.
>>> Eric Kashambuzi
>>> --
>>> UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans. Individuals are responsible for whatever they post on this forum.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to: ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at: abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
>>
>> --
>> UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans. Individuals are responsible for whatever they post on this forum.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to: ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at: abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
>
> --
> UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans. Individuals are responsible for whatever they post on this forum.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to: ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at: abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
>
>
> --
> UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans. Individuals are responsible for whatever they post on this forum.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to: ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at: abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
-- On Jul 25, 2014 10:11 AM, "'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community" <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> FN,
>
> You raise very important observations especially about those considered late joiners! Eric might have had good intentions when he stated that issue but he needs to explain it better. Who really has a record of people and their contributions to regime change? Should we give the Kony, Peter Otai or those in jail accused of trying to overthrow NRM, the leadership since they began the struggle much earlier than UDU (2011)?
>
> And some late comers are so technical and know exactly how to cause a meaningful change and if their ideas work, shouldn't they take the credit? We could also argue that the "senior" liberators do not deserve too much respect since their methods failed to cause change for example, Kony has been fighting for the last 20 years without end, so why should some people think because they began mobilizing earlier, they deserve better? Suppose gen. Sejusa and some guys launch a military offensive and really shake Kampala, will colleagues Eric and Ocaya run to stop them saying, "No, no, stop here, you came late?"
>
> I think we should assess what people bring to the liberation table not basing on when they mooted the idea of liberation. We should welcome all ideas and persons willing to contribute and no discrimination whatsoever be visited on any Ugandan.
> In my view, Gen. Sejusa is a very good asset toward the project; he has what it means to create a rapid disintegration of the current Kampala establishment.
>
> On your concerns about choice of presidential commission regionally, I think Eric is correct because it draws ideas from all corners of the country besides bringing unity and ownership of the leadership. We have qualified people all over the country. The only problem is that people are scared of coming up to show their presidential qualities; even those ones like Amama Mbabazi are denying their ambitions because of fear. Ring-fencing of positions by individuals is for guarding against competition which would deny them rulership because of their mediocrity; some candidates are better qualified than those claiming to be better. If we were asked to propose names, I could give a list of at least 20 potential members to choose from,5 from each region. This is where the vetting committee comes to play a major role of ensuring that we put in place respectable Ugandans to nurture the baby.
>
> On exposure whether past or post independence, there is no doubt that little has been done to provide the truth about our country. Facts, myth, malice, opinions, dreams and the like have all been mixed up with one aim, to discredit the previous regime in order to get support, so Eric is kind of right to state that there is lack of exposure, the only problem is that he singled only one period in our history.
>
> Otherwise, this is good, we should discuss more of this stuff. I am ready and qualified to serve in most areas of development.
>
> Peter Simon
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:29:08 PM, 'Federica Nshemereirwe' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Eric,
>
> I agree with you on this well meaning trend of thought. However, I differ on three points:
>
> I. When you mention those who joined later, you remind me of the NRM historicals who loaded it over others and claimed more privileges! Don't let this happen this time. It shouldn't matter when one joined. Not all people have same kind of understanding or source of information to do things at the same time. In the bible, even those who came at the eleventh hour got the same wages.
> 2. I don't agree that we base the selection of the presidential commission on four regions. That could be a ground for selecting Incompetent people just because hey are from a certain region. In any case what are the four regions of Uganda ? For instance if you say eastern, will you get a Mugisu, itesot, or a musoga? Then what will the Basimika say? Selection should be based on leadership qualities!
> 3.when you say children born after 1986 have not been exposed to uganda's post independence violence which ones do you refer to. As far as I know children from northern Uganda, eastern and Ruwenzori region have all been exposed to violence in the roast possible way. Remember kichwamba, mukura, all northern uganda!?
>
> That is my submission.
>
> FN
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 8:32 PM, Frank Mujabi <frank.mujabi21@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Eric
>>
>> WHO will be holding the gun in the transition?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 22 Jul 2014, at 01:08, Eric Kashambuzi <kashambuzieric@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fellow Ugandans, we see there are people who are now beginning to claim that they are "game changers" when they joined the opposition not long ago, some of them having served the NRM regime in senior positions until recently and possibly responsible by commission, omission or delegation for crimes against humanity. On the other hand, there are those who have been in serious struggle immediately after the 2011 stolen elections.
>>> UDU which was created in July 2011 has been working tirelessly to mobilize Ugandans at home and abroad for a peaceful change of regime in the first instance. We have written to all sectors of the population including the military and the police, gender, youth, civil society organization and religious leaders etc. urging them to join the opposition. Therefore those late comers who are now claiming that their success is within sight need to think again.
>>> While we welcome everybody to join those struggling for regime change, we must avoid a situation where late comers may be tempted to claim victory the winner-take –all style. We should avoid what happened in Ethiopia immediately before the imperial regime collapsed in 1974.
>>> For those who may not know, the revolution in Ethiopia was launched by ordinary people in urban and rural areas including women and youth particularly the poor, landless, unemployed and hungry. They were joined by taxi drivers protesting the rising price of oil that quadrupled in late 1973. They were then joined by students and later workers.
>>> When the regime was about to fall as is about to happen in Uganda, the military stepped in and captured power and ignored those that had been struggling and preparing the country for a regime change. The civilians claimed the right to form the government because they were the ones who mobilized the population. When the army refused, a long civil war ensued, resulting in heavy casualties.
>>> In Uganda, we should avoid what happened in Ethiopia and embrace the Filipino model of People Power, where civilians and military people that opposed the government of Ferdinand Marcos joined hands and removed it from power peacefully.
>>> Additionally, to avoid post NRM political instability, or even a civil war as we discussed and agreed in The Hague we should reflect on Uganda's chaotic history since independence and be creative. The institutions we inherited at independence haven't served Uganda well. To do things better after NRM has exited, we should set up a transitional government with all Ugandans participating except criminals within and without NRM. Then the new government should be led by a presidential team of at least four people each drawn from the four regions of Uganda. We should also avoid getting people from the same group scattered in all parts of the country. Those who have jumped NRM ship and are now claiming to lead the opposition need to be scrutinized very carefully to establish whether they have genuinely left NRM or still working for it and want to weaken the opposition and maintain the status quo. Furthermore, joining hands with the devil to create a critical mass for regime change is the wrong way to go because once the regime is changed the wolves will turn against the sheep, witness post-Moshi in-fighting soon after the late Lule formed the government.
>>> The transitional government besides running the day to day affairs of state should amend the constitution as appropriate or govern under a transitional charter. It should conduct a population census to give the latest demographic characteristics for registering voters, planning for poverty reduction, building institutions such as schools and clinics according to the population characteristics in different parts of the country. Then there should be a national convention to decide how Ugandans wish to be governed.
>>> National institutions including the public service commission, security forces, and the relationship among the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government should be reviewed to reestablish separation of powers and checks and balances and to make sure that one person in any institution does not accumulate power into his/her hands and dictate to others.
>>> The transitional government should set up a truly independent electoral commission agreed to by all legitimate groups to prepare for free and fair multi-party elections at an appropriate time.
>>> An independent vetting commission for presidential and parliamentary candidates should also be established to weed out those not qualified to contest elections. Profiles would be established for presidential and parliamentary candidates.
>>> Winner take all politics, one person as president, one person as chair of public service commission and senior security officials from one group or a few regions should be abandoned and replaced by collective decision making apparatus as is practiced in Switzerland, a country whose federal institutions were built from the ground up. These proposed governance arrangements if implemented might have a better chance of creating peaceful and inclusive societies to avoid post-NRM crisis undermining economic development and social progress.
>>> The Hague process that brought Ugandans together from home and in the diaspora and met for the first time in The Hague (The Netherlands) in November 2013 has already begun mobilizing Ugandans along these lines. The ideas of a transitional government, presidential team and national convention have already received strong support at home and abroad. Methods for peaceful regime change were distributed to The Hague process members after the London conference that took place at the end of June, 2014. They accompany an agreed upon roadmap for regime change and formation of a transitional government.
>>> Those born after 1986 have not had the opportunity to be exposed to Uganda's bloody history since independence. NRM government has minimized providing information about Uganda's post-independent history because it has participated in some of the ugly events it would not want to be associated with. Those who ignore history are bound to repeat its ugly commissions and/or omissions. UDU and The Hague process will continue to conduct civic education including on Uganda's history.
>>> For those who want to know about Uganda's history and what UDU has done including preparing a National Recovery Plan and diplomatic networking are advised to visit www.udugandans.org.
>>> Not least, Uganda belongs to all the citizens who were born free and equal in rights and dignity and all are subject to the rule of law.
>>> Eric Kashambuzi
>>> --
>>> UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans. Individuals are responsible for whatever they post on this forum.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to: ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at: abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
>>
>> --
>> UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans. Individuals are responsible for whatever they post on this forum.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to: ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at: abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
>
> --
> UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans. Individuals are responsible for whatever they post on this forum.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to: ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at: abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
>
>
> --
> UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans. Individuals are responsible for whatever they post on this forum.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to: ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at: abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
UAH forum is devoted to matters of interest to Ugandans. Individuals are responsible for whatever they post on this forum.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to: ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at: abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
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