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Ndugu Ejakait Okurut,
Simple I think we are all in the same page and singing the same song, but might be on different tune. Yes, OBAMA had played his part, but it is ourselves those start fighting ourselves hence our failures to set the institutions and, or systems you are talking about. As a Civil Engineer but not a politician who wants to talk on how to applying actions on practical. Let us take for example in our UPC party when the Annual Delegate Conference was completed, the elected leaderships take the administration of the party, the heats of the competition ends.
The only game would be collective responsibility without the continuation of the internal fights into factional war. This trend of internal had been started by Adhola Yoga, Akena, Ajok and several MPs from Lango sub – region against an elected leadership of the UPC party. Launching of the internal fractional I think weakened the building of a strong institution and, or system which President wants us Africans to support. This is why I think we are singing from the same page of the hymn book but with different tunes!
Ocaya pOcure
Den lördag, 9 maj 2015 21:02 skrev 'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>:
Comrades,
I like the quality of this dialogue! This is how we should discuss issues. While both of you are right to some degree, I feel we seem to judge our African relatives like Obama using our local yardsticks where one has to directly steal and handover goodies to relatives, or abuse the public office to sideline those considered outsiders. I do not agree that President Obama has done little for Africa or does not identify with his African roots. On the contrary, Obama has spoken and acted for Africa. For example, when he says that Africa does not need strong men but strong institutions, he he is shaping their kind of governance that guarantees democratic principles which if implemented will serve us all.
Like George has pointed out, our people elected in their party platforms have to lobby for issues, alone just any other politician, they cannot achieve anything. This is what should be the case anywhere, lobbying for a cause, not taking shortcuts.
Despite the challenges, I think we should encourage full participation in politics whether at home or abroad.
Peter Simon
From: 'Ocaya Mike pOcure' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
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Ndugu Okello DOKOLO and UAH folks,
I tell you, please let us not blame these children with parents from Africa etal. I think, they are not wrong on what they do always since we cannot give them the lead ways. These children are our own failures not to make them connect with our home countries. Take it or leave it, even you personally have lost contact with your LANGO folks in DOKOLO.
Why? Because in our Luo - Acoli tradition, we always connect with our folks in good or bad times when one of us die we go for the funeral. Lately, you gave us a sad demised of one of your relative, but you could not be there. How will you blame even your children not to understand such very bondages if you cannot do it?
I think, bringing political developments in African countries must be done by African folks. For example, OBAMA could not bring any tangible development in KISUMU where his father is from, due to the fact that OBAMA is an American President but not Kenya. We must as Ugandans or the whole Northern Uganda folks think outside our tribal boxes and bring our collective political developments.
Just, think and look how the likes of Akena, Ajok etal want almost to beat OLARA Otunnu physically whom they know was an elected leader the UPC party. Let us not forget that they even know that OLARA Otunnu is quite qualify enough to lead this party. This means, until we see the quality and CV of the person to lead, but not ethnicity, we shall never move forward. Clearly, I think OBAMA would not have been the President if he were to compete in Kenya where tribalism rules, but not qualifications, ability and experiences!
Ocaya pOcure
Den lördag, 9 maj 2015 8:15 skrev George Okello <opallog@gmail.com>:
Mr Brian Kwesiga,
I am not too sure that participating in politics by Diasporan Africans
is of any help at all in their countries of origin.
In the UK, the following people of African origin have been elected as
MPs in the British parliament:
Helen Grant (Conservative)- Mixed race Nigerian
Dr Onuorah (Labour)-mixed race Nigerian
Chuka Umunna (Labour)- Mixed race Nigerian
Paul Boateng(Labour)- Mixed race Ghanaian
Adan Afrriyie (Conservative)- mixed race Ghanaian.
In addition two Ugandan Asians have also been elected , Shailah Vera
(Conservative) and Priti Patel (Conservative). I think another
Nigerian was elected in London in this new parlaiment.
I have to tell you that, apart from the Indian MPs, the African MPs
have all been second or third generation. Two of them were brought up
by their white mothers and had very little exposure to Africa or its
social conditions or politics.
People sometimes make mistakes by assuming that having African origin
MPs in the parliaments of western countries will help Africa. This is
the same mistake they made about Barack Obama. This is very far from
the truth. These MPs would have grown up without their African fathers
and brought up totally as white people. They have very little
connection with Africa and certainly don't raise African issues in
their day to day work as MPs.
It is good to have Africans in the diapora participating in politics
but their role in this would only be to assist to improve the
conditions of Africans in their constituencies and in national life,
and to help in the process of integration. The African Conservative
MPs have been totally useless to Africans living in their
constituencies, but the Labour MP Chuka Ummunna in Streatham has done
wonderful work supporting the black community in South London and
beyond and is expected to stand as Labour Leader to replace Ed
Miliband.
I will support Africans in the UK standing for elections on the basis
of the values that they express and aspire to achieve, but I will do
this in the understanding that they will have very little relevance,
if any, in the politics of individual African countries where their
father's come from. Africans in the diaspora who want to change the
situation in Africa should totally disabuse the idea that by becoming
an MP here in the West, they will have any powers to change the
situation in Africa. I think that is a kind of patronage that many
people in Africa will detest.
George Okello
On 5/9/15, 'Brian M. Kwesiga' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
<ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> I'm no expert on UK politics, I will be the first to admit that I don't
> really know much about it and cant comment on the difference within the
> political parties there. However this week, i was able to understand
> something important.
>
> Diaspora Africans need to get involved in politics
> 4 Nigerians were elected to the British Parliament. Not just anyone...young
> diaspora Nigerians who have lived in several subcultures. Whether they are
> Igbo, Yoruba, Urobo or Hausa, they all grew up in different realities, but
> ended up serving a nation that welcomed their ideas and their presence.
>
> Nigeria needs to take note, the new government needs to understand that, in
> order to advance the nation, younger generations must be given the
> opportunity to lead.
> Apathy has long plagued Africans in general, the recent elections in Nigeria
> proved that enough was enough, people, old and young, walked to the polls to
> express their concerns. A new generation of leaders was born, but we are
> still faced with the same familiar faces.
>
> In Nigeria, a person has to be at least 30 to be a representative in
> parliament, and minimum of 35 to be elected senator or state governor.
> Dimeji Bankole was the youngest to hold a seat as a Speaker in the history
> of the House.
>
> I hope that the new administration, brings about the change that Nigeria
> needs by not just employing young to do the jobs of Technical Assistants, or
> Executive Secretaries, but also to lead within the government. Career
> politicians are the reasons why we are where we are. They seat within the
> government enough to loot and take advantage of their positions.
>
> It is high time that Nigeria brings in the change that is needed, not only
> at home but everywhere else.
>
> Africans in general need to understand the importance of politics, the
> relevance of casting votes, the issues at stake. Only then we can make a
> difference in our communities. If we in America can realize how powerful our
> voices can sound in unison, we would bring about change.
>
> We cant change anything, if we do not get involved in politics, apathy
> cannot continue. We cannot just voice our opinions only when something goes
> wrong.
>
> Check this out:
> Diaspora Africans need to get involved in politics.
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/diaspora-africans-need-get-involved-politics-nneka-achapu
>
> Sent from LinkedIn for iPhone
>
>
> Brian M. Kwesiga
> President and CEO,
> Ugandan North American Association - UNAA
> 972.415.6372 | www.unaa.org | "United We Stand"
>
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I am not too sure that participating in politics by Diasporan Africans
is of any help at all in their countries of origin.
In the UK, the following people of African origin have been elected as
MPs in the British parliament:
Helen Grant (Conservative)- Mixed race Nigerian
Dr Onuorah (Labour)-mixed race Nigerian
Chuka Umunna (Labour)- Mixed race Nigerian
Paul Boateng(Labour)- Mixed race Ghanaian
Adan Afrriyie (Conservative)- mixed race Ghanaian.
In addition two Ugandan Asians have also been elected , Shailah Vera
(Conservative) and Priti Patel (Conservative). I think another
Nigerian was elected in London in this new parlaiment.
I have to tell you that, apart from the Indian MPs, the African MPs
have all been second or third generation. Two of them were brought up
by their white mothers and had very little exposure to Africa or its
social conditions or politics.
People sometimes make mistakes by assuming that having African origin
MPs in the parliaments of western countries will help Africa. This is
the same mistake they made about Barack Obama. This is very far from
the truth. These MPs would have grown up without their African fathers
and brought up totally as white people. They have very little
connection with Africa and certainly don't raise African issues in
their day to day work as MPs.
It is good to have Africans in the diapora participating in politics
but their role in this would only be to assist to improve the
conditions of Africans in their constituencies and in national life,
and to help in the process of integration. The African Conservative
MPs have been totally useless to Africans living in their
constituencies, but the Labour MP Chuka Ummunna in Streatham has done
wonderful work supporting the black community in South London and
beyond and is expected to stand as Labour Leader to replace Ed
Miliband.
I will support Africans in the UK standing for elections on the basis
of the values that they express and aspire to achieve, but I will do
this in the understanding that they will have very little relevance,
if any, in the politics of individual African countries where their
father's come from. Africans in the diaspora who want to change the
situation in Africa should totally disabuse the idea that by becoming
an MP here in the West, they will have any powers to change the
situation in Africa. I think that is a kind of patronage that many
people in Africa will detest.
George Okello
On 5/9/15, 'Brian M. Kwesiga' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
<ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> I'm no expert on UK politics, I will be the first to admit that I don't
> really know much about it and cant comment on the difference within the
> political parties there. However this week, i was able to understand
> something important.
>
> Diaspora Africans need to get involved in politics
> 4 Nigerians were elected to the British Parliament. Not just anyone...young
> diaspora Nigerians who have lived in several subcultures. Whether they are
> Igbo, Yoruba, Urobo or Hausa, they all grew up in different realities, but
> ended up serving a nation that welcomed their ideas and their presence.
>
> Nigeria needs to take note, the new government needs to understand that, in
> order to advance the nation, younger generations must be given the
> opportunity to lead.
> Apathy has long plagued Africans in general, the recent elections in Nigeria
> proved that enough was enough, people, old and young, walked to the polls to
> express their concerns. A new generation of leaders was born, but we are
> still faced with the same familiar faces.
>
> In Nigeria, a person has to be at least 30 to be a representative in
> parliament, and minimum of 35 to be elected senator or state governor.
> Dimeji Bankole was the youngest to hold a seat as a Speaker in the history
> of the House.
>
> I hope that the new administration, brings about the change that Nigeria
> needs by not just employing young to do the jobs of Technical Assistants, or
> Executive Secretaries, but also to lead within the government. Career
> politicians are the reasons why we are where we are. They seat within the
> government enough to loot and take advantage of their positions.
>
> It is high time that Nigeria brings in the change that is needed, not only
> at home but everywhere else.
>
> Africans in general need to understand the importance of politics, the
> relevance of casting votes, the issues at stake. Only then we can make a
> difference in our communities. If we in America can realize how powerful our
> voices can sound in unison, we would bring about change.
>
> We cant change anything, if we do not get involved in politics, apathy
> cannot continue. We cannot just voice our opinions only when something goes
> wrong.
>
> Check this out:
> Diaspora Africans need to get involved in politics.
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/diaspora-africans-need-get-involved-politics-nneka-achapu
>
> Sent from LinkedIn for iPhone
>
>
> Brian M. Kwesiga
> President and CEO,
> Ugandan North American Association - UNAA
> 972.415.6372 | www.unaa.org | "United We Stand"
>
> --
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> any legal consequences of his or her postings, and hence statements and
> facts must be presented responsibly. Your continued membership signifies
> that you agree to this disclaimer and pledge to abide by our Rules and
> Guidelines.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to:
> ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com or Abbey Semuwemba at:
> abbeysemuwemba@gmail.com.
>
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