SV: SV: {UAH} MUSEVENI'S WOOING OF NORTHERN UGANDA EXTENDS TO THE LATE BISHOP JANAN LUWUM

gook,

"..Noc, the only people that your dad ever helped were his close friends and relatives...not Acolis!

There is a very good reason why M7's family came to live in Gothenburg near your father! It was the only place they would feel safe...near their good friend!

..."

 

read Apollo Lawoko's book!!

Atually, Museveni's family lived many years in Växjö. And  only relocated to Gothenburg much later.

In fact, my dad had already moved back to Uganda. In växjö were many Ugandan like Lance Siera Mwanga.

Kahizi Mugerwa etc.

Even here you are distorting facts, why?

My father was never at the Musevenis nor were they at his place.

I did. I visited many Ugandan. Actually I was friendly with all Ugandan in Gothenburg and known to all then.

So, why are you telling lies?

In Acoli, he was a prominence. Up to now, even after the shift in generation of Acoli leaders, he is still

regarded as a great Acoli. Go there and check it out.

I did and I was welcome every where and I enjoyed and that is how I even got a clear picture of

how the outcome of election2006 is likely going to be.. Nice!!!

Noc'la gaumoy

TFN: +46736906771

"WE FORM THE CULTURE THAT FORMS US"….noc'la gaumoy.

Den onsdag, 26 augusti 2015 11:52 skrev Gook <grakanga@gmail.com>:

Noc,

It was you who told us about the imprisonment and reallocation of your old man.

Now why was he imprisoned and later reallocated?

In your numerous postings you alluded to the wonderful work your dad did to " his people" 

His concerns about scholarships etec etc.. Let's just take a look at this scholarship issues.

For now almost 30 years that your family friend HE M7 has been president have you heard anything about state house scholarships and how they have been allocated?

Your dad was much alive and active for most of this time and yet we never heard him say anything about scholarships! Did the need for scholarships for Acolis suddenly cease with the overthrow of Obote?

Your Dad's ( and yours too) hatred for AMO comes out clearly in this  statement..

" senior Acolis were being sent to the front and yet he Obote was sitted reading novels"!

Do you know that this was /is the genesis of the alleged split btwn the Acolis and the Langis?

If your dad could allege this in the 70 and even 60s and continued with the same in the 80s but strangely quite in the last 30 years of the NRM, what does that make him? A hero to his people? Which people are these his relatives only?

And yet in spite of all the above you now tell us AMO still had the heart to offer him a place in cabinet in his second coming! And what doe he do? He rejects that offer and instead continues to undermine him by spearheading a smear campaign about...( scholarships and Acolis dying while others are reading novels)!

Some one places his faith and trust in a people and that trust is shown by the way he appoints them with positions of responsibility. He trusts them with the army and police. He trusts them with political appointments and yet that person is " seated reading novels while others die"!

Noc, the only people that your dad ever helped were his close friends and relatives...not Acolis!

There is a very good reason why M7's family came to live in Gothenburg near your father! It was the only place they would feel safe...near their good friend!

Now I may not know much about what happened but most of what I state here were provided by non other than yourself!

My only crime was to interpret them the best I could and say it as it is! 

Sent from Gook's iPatch!

"What you are we once were, what we are   you shall be!"

An inscription on the walls of a Roman catacomb.

On 26 aug 2015, at 09:00, "'gaumoy nockrach-laduma' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community"<ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Like I was saying, GOOK does not know much, but, he is acting like he does in an effort to know.

First off he does not even know what the conflicts were or when in time they occurred. Let alone who were involved.

Just pure rubbish!!!

Even the so called "tipping off phenomenon" by the (UPC factions) that he alludes dates back 

to a period much later IN MID 1970s to late 1970s when there were so many loose factions ( each maliciously trying to stop

the success of another who was at more advanced stage). From what I gather, they were UPCs who did not want any other

group to advance before them and usurp power in Uganda other than the UPC group.

GOOK even tries had to associate my father with events that occurred  after the first failed attempt. By that time my father was

long in Sweden. My father left TZ in 1973!!!!!! 

GOOK further distorts facts without knowing the initiative trails. And GGOK is a lawyer. THE ILL-FEELINGS / SENTIMENTS

THAT HAD ARISEN ABOUT THE UNFAIR ALLOCATION OF SCHOLARSHIPS AND THE CASE OF SENIOR 

ACOLI SOCIETY LEADERS, started BEFORE MY LATE FATHER ARRIVED IN TANZANIA!!!!!

When he arrived in exile in TZ, because he was a very highly respected and trusted Acoli even while in Uganda

dating back to the 1950s, they saw in him some one who could dialouge for their grievances. 

THEY APPROACHED HIM AND ENTRUSTED HIM WITH THE TASK TO FORWARD THEIR GRIVANCE(!!!).

A responsibilty he took and forwarded the matter to Obote (RIP). Which was a very good thing to do, to take responsibility

just like he did in the 1950s for Acoli in southern Uganda.

Obote was not happy with the Acoli grievances forwarded to him ((that the Langi counterparts were strategically

treated more favourably)). Hence they ill-fatedly twisted the understanding and interpreted it negatively instead of

looking into the matter and having dialogue on the issue.

What should my oldman have done under those circumstances? Turned down those aggrieved Acoli refugees?

Put differently, what would you GOOK have done under the same circumstance? Let down the trust and confidence your 

people have in you and their grievances? I bet you would"!

By the time Archbishop Louwum, former Inspector General Oryems (then a minister) were murdered,

my father had already lived in Sweden for more than five years.

From what I gather, fingers were pointed at the same UPC group based in  both Nairobi, Kenya and Tanzania.

So, GOOK, where does my late father come in? He did not even know Museveni while he was still in Tanzania.

By the way Mr GOOK, the old man actually met with Obote during Obote 2. 

Obote wanted to offer him a ministerial post but he declined. He was back on his post as Senior Executive Engineer.

He again met with Obote when the President came for the ceremony for our relatives (and they were many!!!)

who perished in that ill-planned first attempt.

Need I say that my Mzee actually met Nekyon while the later lived in Danmark? And that Maxwell 

Oboko (Obote's close cousin brother) was one of my closest friends here in Sweden during those so called "tipping off era" until he Maxwell

Oboko left for Uganda after the fall of Amin?

So, GOOK, what is this so called HATE FOR OBOTE you keep insinuating? Stop the garbage

Noc'la gaumoy

TFN: +46736906771

"WE FORM THE CULTURE THAT FORMS US"….noc'la gaumoy.

Den onsdag, 26 augusti 2015 6:35 skrev Robukui . <robukui.1@gmail.com>:

Gook,

What do you need, and in what font?

Viele GruBe

Robukui

2015-08-23 21:31 GMT-07:00 Gook <grakanga@gmail.com>:

Rob,

You state here below-:

 "The movement of the said arms was monitored and were intercepted by the Iddi Amin regime following a leakage that originated from among the dissidents owing to their internal rifts. At the time Museveni had disagreed with the main dissident group led by Milton Obote and was running his own brief case organisationCALLED FRONASA. The other exile groups at the time suspected Museveni to be an Iddi Amin spy."

If you remember recently in my rare " altercation" with Noc he voluntarily told us about his late Mzee's " troubles" with the exiled community in TZ.

Now like I have always stated Mzee Nocrach's friendship (and by extension that of his elder son Noc) with M7 didn't start recently.

Mzee Noc was ( and this was backed by impeccable evidence) said to be one of those who would tip off the enemy about the activities of the " rebels"!

Therefore our friend Noc's present stand and his " no party views" should be looked at in light of these historical facts!

Sent from Gook's iPatch!

"What you are we once were, what we are   you shall be!"

An inscription on the walls of a Roman catacomb.

On 23 aug 2015, at 21:18, "Robukui ." <robukui.1@gmail.com> wrote:

MUSEVENI'S WOOING OF NORTHERN UGANDA EXTENDS TO THE LATE BISHOP JANAN LUWUM

Of recent Museveni has rolled out aSYSTEMATIC scheme to tame the historical hostility of northern Uganda. A detailed brief is in the pipeline but here below let me chip in with the above subject matter which is part of the wider scheme.

Late Archibishop Janan Luwum died in 1977 while under arrest over treasonous allegations in what the regime described as a motor accident. He was declared a martyr by the global Anglican community and his statue stands at the west door of West Minister Abbey in London. In Uganda the late Janan Luwum has not attracted much attention because of the political climate that came up after the fall of Iddi Amin to-date. It is now 35 years since he died and 29 years since Museveni took over power. Its only this year that the Museveni government is using the Church of Uganda to gain political capital by spearheading the organising of an annual remembrance of the late Archbishop Janan Luwum that is slated for February 2014. Museveni is scheduled to grace the occasion where South African Bishop Tutu, York's Bishop Sentamu and other prominent religious leaders will be among the top dignitaries.

Archbishop Janan Luwum was an Acholi from Kitgum who rose through the ranks to become the head of the Anglican Church in Uganda during the reign of Iddi Amin. At the time Acholi and Langi tribes bore the brunt of Amin's purge owing to the fact that they supported the exiled former President Obote who was leading fighters in Tanzania to oust Iddi Amin. The late  Janan Luwum became a leading critic of the excesses of the Iddi Amin regime. Around 1977 the dissidents smuggled arms into Uganda using the Anglican church that was historically UPC leaning. The movement of the said arms was monitored and were intercepted by the Iddi Amin regime following a leakage that originated from among the dissidents owing to their internal rifts. At the time Museveni had disagreed with the main dissident group led by Milton Obote and was running his own brief case organisationCALLED FRONASA. The other exile groups at the time suspected Museveni to be an Iddi Amin spy.

The late Janan Luwum died alongside other two cabinet Ministers; Erinayo Oryem and Oboth Ofumbi. speaking at the launch of the steering committee for the planed occasion, Prime Minister Ruhakana Rugunda described Late Janan Luwum as a political icon whose matyrdom galvanised efforts to oust the dictatorial regime of Iddi Amin. He added that Luwum's life was not only seen in the religious aspect but also in the social and political aspects whose life was a challenge to both political and religious leaders. Since taking the path of war in the early 80s and consequently capturing power in the mid 80s to-date, Museveni has consistently been trying to underrate the role of other other groups that fought against the Iddi Amin regime. He fronts his group of FRONASA as the sole fighting group that ousted Iddi Amin. He has often described the former President Milton Obote all other of his UPC party members and sympathisers as devils. Late Archbishop Janan Luwum was not a member of FRONASA but Museveni's own Bishop Festo Kivengere was close to Bishop Luwum.Therefore he feared that if he had  had to acknowledge the role of the late Archbishop, he wouldn't have escaped acknowledging the role of the UPC, its leaders, Acholi and Langi army officers and the general population of northern Uganda. 

During his five years guerrilla war, Museveni had his own religious icon in the name of Cardinal Nsubuga who highlighted the excesses of the UPC regime while promoting his NRA. Museveni has always argued that religious leaders should not talk about political governance but when it comes to past religious leaders like Cardinal Nsubuga, Bishop Kivengere and now Archbishop Luwum, he treats them as religious icons because they stood up against the excesses of past political leaders.

Therefore, the current move by Museveni to highlight the recognition of the Late Archbishop Janan Luwum is an opportunistic scheme to bring the people of northern Uganda on board in his new-found NRM/Northern Uganda alliance of convenience. The other day he used the reburial of Erinayo Oryem in the same area to woo the population of that region. He intends to use the occasion to draw world attention on how he (Museveni) rescued Uganda from the jaws of past bad leadership hence justification for him to continue ruling.

INFORMATION IS POWER

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Viele GruBe

Robukui

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