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Mw RAJAB and UAH folks,
The bitter truth is that, it seems Bobby is buying into the over Propaganda of the Western World media houses domination. YES, I do not think any person should support these kind of purposeful misinformation. Take for example the massive militarily carpet bombings in the Middle East from the first War in Iraq led by George Bush senior against Saddam Hussein. The question is; what was the main interests and intentions of the Western World – ie - both UK and US without both Germany and France those did not support that first Gulf war in Iraq? It is unfortunate that this Bobby is blind like his nemesis EM who poured his lies against OBAMA but not US!
Or even when we try to dig a bit deeper during the massive war of attrition in Afghanistan with complete deception by the Western World in the name of chasing the Russian troops from that part of the Islamic world with dire consequences on the Islamic folks of Afghanistan. Let us not forget that, American regime with her Western allies had an agreement with the Islamic folks of the Middle East before they went to Afghanistan later the American reneged against such agreement. This time, I think again the Americans are letting down the people of Kurdistan by working with Turkey on the fight against ISIS!
This means, the worsening political situation in the world today and even before President OBAMA was born had been the US foreign policy that OBAMA cannot solve it alone. The US Foreign policy cannot be solved or corrected by the only two terms presidency of President OBAMA and what had been the continued concealment of genocide against the Arab (Palestinian) folks!
Ocaya pOcure
Den söndag, 28 augusti 2016 16:33 skrev Rajab Ali <raj62ali@gmail.com>:
Bobby, you need not accept the idea of an Islamic caliphate. And I don't think that that's the issue here. If you genuinely seek to fight terrorism, then appear to be doing so and not to fighting Muslims or their religion. You can't claim to be pro-Muslim when you are anti-Islam. Redirect your energy and effort towards fighting terrorism and you will find Muslims able and willing partners.
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> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:56, Bobby Alcantara <bobbyalcantara94@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gwokto,
>
> Kenya is soon going to be caught between a rock and a hard place. It
> can not afford to take the threat posed by Islamic Terrorism lighly.
> Soon muc of coastal Kenya will be turned into impenetrable wasteland,
> only fit for the most intprid tourist. You just have to peak at the
> plight of Northern Nigerai to see what Islamic terrorism can do. I
> last visted Northern Nigerai in 1993, and it was the most peaceful
> part of Nigerai. In cities like Kaduna, Kano etc, you could levae your
> hand bag in a bar and no one would steal it. But go there now. Since
> Boko Haram started their campaign to establish an Islamic Caliphate in
> the world, beginning with Northern Nigeria, the whole place has been
> turned into a giant swimming pool filled with blood. Nearly 70 people
> are dying everyday from starvation. 5 million people have been
> displaced in a mere 5 years. The tragey facing the people of Northern
> Nigeria is actually a tragedy of biblical proportions. Yet when I
> point out this great suffering of the Nigerain people, people like
> Jabby Ali , Rehema and Afuwa Kasule call me anti-muslim I am not
> anti-muslim. I am pro-muslim and against barbasim and cruelty to
> fellow humas. This is what people who criticise me don't seem to see.
> If Islam was left in the bed-room and mosque, I would have no quarrel
> with it. None whatsover. But I will never accept the idea of an
> Islamic Caliphate.
>
> Bobby.
>
>> On 28/08/2016, Peter Gwokto <ggwokto@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Kenya's seaside looks peaceful, but a murderous war is being waged
>>
>> Tourists may be returning to the Kenyan coast, but the hinterland is being
>> ravaged by Islamic militants, their defectors and armed police
>>
>> Jason Burke in Bongwe
>> Sunday 28 August 2016 08.00 BST
>>
>> A football field and a grove of mango trees lie between Bongwe and its
>> neighbouring village. On one side live the family of 33-year-old Subira
>> Mwangole, shot dead by gunmen while watching television with friends one
>> evening in May. On the other live his alleged murderers.
>>
>> The two villages, 30km south of the port city of Mombasa on Kenya's coast,
>> are almost identical: three-room houses with rusting tin or thatch roofs, a
>> ramshackle primary school, a government office, a small mosque with white
>> walls stained by rain, a crossroads where two tracks meet, a well, small
>> plots of tall corn plants.
>>
>> app
>> Download the free Guardian app
>> Download the free Guardian app
>> Read the latest news from across the world and save articles to read across
>> your devices and desktop.
>> Click here
>> Yet, despite their placid appearances, the villages lie on the invisible
>> frontline of a brutal, low-level, three-way war pitting security agencies
>> against the Islamic extremist network al-Shabaab, and the militants against
>> the local community. It is a war carried out by small groups of armed men
>> who shoot first and ask few questions.
>>
>> "We are very anxious, frightened. He knew he could die at any moment. We
>> all know we could be next," said Ibrahim, a former al-Shabaab fighter and a
>> close relative of Mwangole.
>>
>> There is a steady beat of violence. The extremists murder those they see as
>> a threat. Local human rights groups say the police do the same thing. Both
>> sets of killers know that the fear they provoke brings impunity.
>>
>> Mwangole was particularly hated by al-Shabaab for his role in convincing
>> veterans of the movement to take advantage of an amnesty offered by the
>> Kenyan ministry of the interior last year. The shopkeeper and father of two
>> was himself a defector from the group, which has waged an insurgency in
>> Somalia since 2006 and has expanded across the porous border into Kenya.
>>
>> Mwangole was shot in the head by a group of men dressed as policemen but
>> identified by family members as local members of al-Shabaab. His death was
>> swiftly followed by the murder, in similar circumstances, of three
>> community leaders in Bongwe. All were involved in government
>> "anti-radicalisation" schemes.
>>
>> Hundreds have died at the hands of Islamic militants in Kenya in recent
>> decades. A first wave of violence between 1998 and 2002 was directed by
>> al-Qaida against foreign targets, including US embassies and Israeli
>> tourists. It had ebbed by the middle of the last decade.
>>
>> But radicalism was growing among Kenya's Muslim minority, fuelled by a
>> sense of marginalisation, extremist clerics, the impact of the US-led "war
>> on terror" and a shift away from traditional moderate Islamic practices to
>> more rigorous versions of the faith influenced by countries in the Gulf.
>>
>> In 2013 gunmen from al-Shabaab stormed a shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya's
>> capital, killing 67 people. Last year 148 people were shot dead at a
>> university in Kenya's north-east. Both attacks were launched from Somalia,
>> where Kenyan troops are fighting the extremists as part of an African Union
>> force, but focused attention on support networks within Kenya itself.
>>
>> Investigators found that young men from villages such as Bongwe in Kwale
>> county had been travelling to Somalia to fight with al-Shabaab for over a
>> decade. Authorities launched a major crackdown and, officials say, a
>> comprehensive "anti-radicalisation" strategy. One element was the amnesty
>> announced last year. By this spring, 70 al-Shabaab veterans – or returnees
>> – had made a clean breast of their militant past to authorities, receiving
>> an assurance that they would not be prosecuted in return.
>>
>> According to local journalists and former al-Shabaab fighter Sami, who
>> worked closely with Mwangole and was a friend, two amnestied returnees have
>> since been killed, as have six other al-Shabaab veterans.
>>
>> "We trusted the government. We thought we could live a better life, in
>> peace, and put our past behind us," Sami said.
>>
>> Many amnestied veterans receive constant threats from militants, while also
>> facing harassment from police. "The government issued an amnesty that was
>> not anchored in law," said Hussein Khaled, of Haki-Africa, a human rights
>> monitoring group in Mombasa.
>>
>> The identity of the alleged killers of Mwangole and the three community
>> leaders reveals how, despite the extremist rhetoric of "global jihad", the
>> conflict being fought out in Kwale is very intimate.
>>
>> In interviews with the Observer, Mwangole's relatives and friends blamed a
>> band of a dozen young men from the neighbouring village for the murders in
>> Bongwe. Most are in their 20s and only recently recruited to al-Shabaab.
>> They include several relatives of the victims. Well before the four murders
>> in May, the group had already made a series of threats to amnestied
>> veterans, accusing them of treachery and spying for the government.
>>
>> Sami, who returned from a stint in Somalia with al-Shabaab six years ago,
>> said: "We went to the police. We identified those threatening us, but they
>> did nothing. Sometimes I think they wanted Mwangole to be killed – that's
>> why they gave him no protection."
>>
>> In June, police detained 10 men for the killings, including three of those
>> named by Mwangole's relatives. They say they are confident they have now
>> broken up the network. This has inspired little confidence in Bongwe,
>> however, where the authorities are as feared as al-Shabaab. Campaigners
>> claim systematic human rights abuses by the police, including 70
>> extrajudicial "executions" or disappearances in the past year alone in and
>> around Mombasa.
>>
>> Many such killings and disappearances involve former members of al-Shabaab,
>> or individuals alleged to be extremists. At least three alleged members of
>> al-Shabaab in Kwale have been shot dead by police in recent months.
>>
>> One, named as Omar Hesbon Matheka, died on 4 June when he was "running
>> while shooting at the police", according to officials, who claimed a
>> grenade had been found among the dead man's possessions. Witnesses said
>> Matheka was killed by officers while sitting in a rickshaw. His mother told
>> local newspapers that the 24-year-old was looking for work.
>>
>> "Terrorism is the worst form of human rights violation. We want to
>> eradicate terrorism … [but] it seems that the [government] strategy is
>> simply using firepower. There is nothing about community resilience,
>> addressing underlying problems or rule of law," said human rights activist
>> Khaled.
>>
>> Maalim Mohammed, the police commissioner of Mombasa, denied any human
>> rights abuses by Kenyan security agencies. "These allegations are baseless,
>> malicious and unfair," he said. "Our constitution and laws are very clear
>> and we always respect the process. You cannot use coercive means to win
>> against terrorism. You need to win hearts and minds. We get a lot of
>> information from the community."
>>
>> The police crackdown has had a significant impact – at least in the short
>> term. Analysts say the al-Shabaab support network on the coast and
>> elsewhere is much weaker than it was, and has been eradicated in Mombasa.
>>
>> The British and US governments recently lifted travel warnings applied two
>> years ago to almost all of Kenya's Indian Ocean coastline, giving the
>> crucial tourist industry a much-needed boost. "We can assure all visitors
>> that they will be entirely safe here on the coast of Kenya," Mohammed said.
>>
>> But there are still frequent cross-border incidents. Five policemen were
>> recently killed by suspected al-Shabaab fighters near the border with
>> Somalia. There is also continuing recruitment, according to villagers.
>> Several Kwale county residents, who did not want to be named, added that
>> some women are also attracted by the extremist ideology, and marry
>> al-Shabaab veterans in the area.
>>
>> Last weekend Bongwe and its neighbouring village were calm. Both were full
>> of women wearing flowing robes. Young children, cows and chickens wandered
>> between the trees. A dozen youths wearing old T-shirts played on the
>> football pitch.
>>
>> "I left one war behind me in Somalia when I returned," said Ibrahim. "But
>> now I am in the middle of another one."
>>
>> Gwokto La'Kitgum
>>
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> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:56, Bobby Alcantara <bobbyalcantara94@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gwokto,
>
> Kenya is soon going to be caught between a rock and a hard place. It
> can not afford to take the threat posed by Islamic Terrorism lighly.
> Soon muc of coastal Kenya will be turned into impenetrable wasteland,
> only fit for the most intprid tourist. You just have to peak at the
> plight of Northern Nigerai to see what Islamic terrorism can do. I
> last visted Northern Nigerai in 1993, and it was the most peaceful
> part of Nigerai. In cities like Kaduna, Kano etc, you could levae your
> hand bag in a bar and no one would steal it. But go there now. Since
> Boko Haram started their campaign to establish an Islamic Caliphate in
> the world, beginning with Northern Nigeria, the whole place has been
> turned into a giant swimming pool filled with blood. Nearly 70 people
> are dying everyday from starvation. 5 million people have been
> displaced in a mere 5 years. The tragey facing the people of Northern
> Nigeria is actually a tragedy of biblical proportions. Yet when I
> point out this great suffering of the Nigerain people, people like
> Jabby Ali , Rehema and Afuwa Kasule call me anti-muslim I am not
> anti-muslim. I am pro-muslim and against barbasim and cruelty to
> fellow humas. This is what people who criticise me don't seem to see.
> If Islam was left in the bed-room and mosque, I would have no quarrel
> with it. None whatsover. But I will never accept the idea of an
> Islamic Caliphate.
>
> Bobby.
>
>> On 28/08/2016, Peter Gwokto <ggwokto@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Kenya's seaside looks peaceful, but a murderous war is being waged
>>
>> Tourists may be returning to the Kenyan coast, but the hinterland is being
>> ravaged by Islamic militants, their defectors and armed police
>>
>> Jason Burke in Bongwe
>> Sunday 28 August 2016 08.00 BST
>>
>> A football field and a grove of mango trees lie between Bongwe and its
>> neighbouring village. On one side live the family of 33-year-old Subira
>> Mwangole, shot dead by gunmen while watching television with friends one
>> evening in May. On the other live his alleged murderers.
>>
>> The two villages, 30km south of the port city of Mombasa on Kenya's coast,
>> are almost identical: three-room houses with rusting tin or thatch roofs, a
>> ramshackle primary school, a government office, a small mosque with white
>> walls stained by rain, a crossroads where two tracks meet, a well, small
>> plots of tall corn plants.
>>
>> app
>> Download the free Guardian app
>> Download the free Guardian app
>> Read the latest news from across the world and save articles to read across
>> your devices and desktop.
>> Click here
>> Yet, despite their placid appearances, the villages lie on the invisible
>> frontline of a brutal, low-level, three-way war pitting security agencies
>> against the Islamic extremist network al-Shabaab, and the militants against
>> the local community. It is a war carried out by small groups of armed men
>> who shoot first and ask few questions.
>>
>> "We are very anxious, frightened. He knew he could die at any moment. We
>> all know we could be next," said Ibrahim, a former al-Shabaab fighter and a
>> close relative of Mwangole.
>>
>> There is a steady beat of violence. The extremists murder those they see as
>> a threat. Local human rights groups say the police do the same thing. Both
>> sets of killers know that the fear they provoke brings impunity.
>>
>> Mwangole was particularly hated by al-Shabaab for his role in convincing
>> veterans of the movement to take advantage of an amnesty offered by the
>> Kenyan ministry of the interior last year. The shopkeeper and father of two
>> was himself a defector from the group, which has waged an insurgency in
>> Somalia since 2006 and has expanded across the porous border into Kenya.
>>
>> Mwangole was shot in the head by a group of men dressed as policemen but
>> identified by family members as local members of al-Shabaab. His death was
>> swiftly followed by the murder, in similar circumstances, of three
>> community leaders in Bongwe. All were involved in government
>> "anti-radicalisation" schemes.
>>
>> Hundreds have died at the hands of Islamic militants in Kenya in recent
>> decades. A first wave of violence between 1998 and 2002 was directed by
>> al-Qaida against foreign targets, including US embassies and Israeli
>> tourists. It had ebbed by the middle of the last decade.
>>
>> But radicalism was growing among Kenya's Muslim minority, fuelled by a
>> sense of marginalisation, extremist clerics, the impact of the US-led "war
>> on terror" and a shift away from traditional moderate Islamic practices to
>> more rigorous versions of the faith influenced by countries in the Gulf.
>>
>> In 2013 gunmen from al-Shabaab stormed a shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya's
>> capital, killing 67 people. Last year 148 people were shot dead at a
>> university in Kenya's north-east. Both attacks were launched from Somalia,
>> where Kenyan troops are fighting the extremists as part of an African Union
>> force, but focused attention on support networks within Kenya itself.
>>
>> Investigators found that young men from villages such as Bongwe in Kwale
>> county had been travelling to Somalia to fight with al-Shabaab for over a
>> decade. Authorities launched a major crackdown and, officials say, a
>> comprehensive "anti-radicalisation" strategy. One element was the amnesty
>> announced last year. By this spring, 70 al-Shabaab veterans – or returnees
>> – had made a clean breast of their militant past to authorities, receiving
>> an assurance that they would not be prosecuted in return.
>>
>> According to local journalists and former al-Shabaab fighter Sami, who
>> worked closely with Mwangole and was a friend, two amnestied returnees have
>> since been killed, as have six other al-Shabaab veterans.
>>
>> "We trusted the government. We thought we could live a better life, in
>> peace, and put our past behind us," Sami said.
>>
>> Many amnestied veterans receive constant threats from militants, while also
>> facing harassment from police. "The government issued an amnesty that was
>> not anchored in law," said Hussein Khaled, of Haki-Africa, a human rights
>> monitoring group in Mombasa.
>>
>> The identity of the alleged killers of Mwangole and the three community
>> leaders reveals how, despite the extremist rhetoric of "global jihad", the
>> conflict being fought out in Kwale is very intimate.
>>
>> In interviews with the Observer, Mwangole's relatives and friends blamed a
>> band of a dozen young men from the neighbouring village for the murders in
>> Bongwe. Most are in their 20s and only recently recruited to al-Shabaab.
>> They include several relatives of the victims. Well before the four murders
>> in May, the group had already made a series of threats to amnestied
>> veterans, accusing them of treachery and spying for the government.
>>
>> Sami, who returned from a stint in Somalia with al-Shabaab six years ago,
>> said: "We went to the police. We identified those threatening us, but they
>> did nothing. Sometimes I think they wanted Mwangole to be killed – that's
>> why they gave him no protection."
>>
>> In June, police detained 10 men for the killings, including three of those
>> named by Mwangole's relatives. They say they are confident they have now
>> broken up the network. This has inspired little confidence in Bongwe,
>> however, where the authorities are as feared as al-Shabaab. Campaigners
>> claim systematic human rights abuses by the police, including 70
>> extrajudicial "executions" or disappearances in the past year alone in and
>> around Mombasa.
>>
>> Many such killings and disappearances involve former members of al-Shabaab,
>> or individuals alleged to be extremists. At least three alleged members of
>> al-Shabaab in Kwale have been shot dead by police in recent months.
>>
>> One, named as Omar Hesbon Matheka, died on 4 June when he was "running
>> while shooting at the police", according to officials, who claimed a
>> grenade had been found among the dead man's possessions. Witnesses said
>> Matheka was killed by officers while sitting in a rickshaw. His mother told
>> local newspapers that the 24-year-old was looking for work.
>>
>> "Terrorism is the worst form of human rights violation. We want to
>> eradicate terrorism … [but] it seems that the [government] strategy is
>> simply using firepower. There is nothing about community resilience,
>> addressing underlying problems or rule of law," said human rights activist
>> Khaled.
>>
>> Maalim Mohammed, the police commissioner of Mombasa, denied any human
>> rights abuses by Kenyan security agencies. "These allegations are baseless,
>> malicious and unfair," he said. "Our constitution and laws are very clear
>> and we always respect the process. You cannot use coercive means to win
>> against terrorism. You need to win hearts and minds. We get a lot of
>> information from the community."
>>
>> The police crackdown has had a significant impact – at least in the short
>> term. Analysts say the al-Shabaab support network on the coast and
>> elsewhere is much weaker than it was, and has been eradicated in Mombasa.
>>
>> The British and US governments recently lifted travel warnings applied two
>> years ago to almost all of Kenya's Indian Ocean coastline, giving the
>> crucial tourist industry a much-needed boost. "We can assure all visitors
>> that they will be entirely safe here on the coast of Kenya," Mohammed said.
>>
>> But there are still frequent cross-border incidents. Five policemen were
>> recently killed by suspected al-Shabaab fighters near the border with
>> Somalia. There is also continuing recruitment, according to villagers.
>> Several Kwale county residents, who did not want to be named, added that
>> some women are also attracted by the extremist ideology, and marry
>> al-Shabaab veterans in the area.
>>
>> Last weekend Bongwe and its neighbouring village were calm. Both were full
>> of women wearing flowing robes. Young children, cows and chickens wandered
>> between the trees. A dozen youths wearing old T-shirts played on the
>> football pitch.
>>
>> "I left one war behind me in Somalia when I returned," said Ibrahim. "But
>> now I am in the middle of another one."
>>
>> Gwokto La'Kitgum
>>
>> --
>> Disclaimer:Everyone posting to this Forum bears the sole responsibility for
>> any legal consequences of his or her postings, and hence statements and
>> facts must be presented responsibly. Your continued membership signifies
>> that you agree to this disclaimer and pledge to abide by our Rules and
>> Guidelines.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to:
>> ugandans-at-heart+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
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