{UAH} FW: Striving To Heal or Cause More Wounds? RESPONSE to MUSOKE: Message To UNAA Members

           Why can't he [UNAA President] Just mind his BUSINESS of  focusing on the HEALING Process instead          of POKING more WOUNDS?! Is He Normal!!? Read on....the thread;

Kamugisha

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Edriss Kironde
Date: Monday, September 30, 2013
Subject: UNAALIST RESPONSE to MUSOKE: Message To UNAA Members
To: ikabwama@gmail.com

That is so true, they were however caught in the act filing for candidates who did not submit documents as per their guidelines, an undisputed fact, which questions our legitimacy,not only the UNAA President but toxic to the entire process.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Brian Kwesiga <brian.kwesiga@yahoo.com> wrote:

Edriss,

That there are people in the UNAA Community who have not recognized the UNAA Election Results as announced by the EC is a statement we can all agree on.

Notwithstanding; The UNAAEC, a independent body empowered by the UNAA Constitution to vent and nominate candidates, announce the results; did its job (we all have opinions on what they should or should not have done), and life will move on, irrespective of what we choose to beleive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Edriss Kironde [mailto:edriss.kironde@gmail.com]
Sent: 09/30/2013 07:39:52 PM
To: unaalist@unaa.memberclicks.net
Subject: RESPONSE to MUSOKE: Message To UNAA Members

True dat. There are people in the UNAA community who have not recognized
Brian as unaa president, I think the EC is yet to certify the UNAA 2013
Elections.
On Sep 30, 2013 5:21 PM, "Brian Kwesiga" <brian.kwesiga@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Edriss,
>
> That would be helpful on your part.
>
> PS:
> There are people in America who have never recognized Obama as the USA
> President.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edriss Kironde [mailto:edriss.kironde@gmail.com]
> Sent: 09/30/2013 06:51:13 PM
> To: unaalist@unaa.memberclicks.net
> Subject: RESPONSE to MUSOKE: Message To UNAA Members
>
> BRIAN, I have never recognised Mr Kabagambe as Council member, however I
> can recomend some law firms in the State of Massachusetts specilising in
> electoral malpractices.
> On Sep 30, 2013 3:37 PM, "Brian Kwesiga" <brian.kwesiga@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Edriss,
> >
> > Since Rahim is your fellow collegaue in the UNAA Council, and you have
> > seniority over him in that body; perhaps you can help set up a legal fund
> > for him?
> >
> > I am sure he would appreciate the effort and would be a step towards
> > working together.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Edriss Kironde [mailto:edriss.kironde@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 09/30/2013 05:07:13 PM
> > To: unaalist@unaa.memberclicks.net
> > Subject: RESPONSE to MUSOKE: Message To UNAA Members
> >
> > Rahim gave intent to sue and needs to be supported,  really.
> >
> > The BOT is the barrier to that it intervenes to prevent the court
> process,
> > however one not satisfied with their ruling, the constitution we
> frequently
> > refer, directs one to seek legal redress.
> >
> > Because the Teasurer had been duly elected, he was given an option to
> > resign. We cannot talk of the rule of law when we discourage people not
> to
> > seek its intervention.
> >
> > I am sure if the courts rule that he was duly elected, BOT will have been
> > found in error and the irganisation can appeal or close the case.
> >
> > If we do not explore legal redress, the malpractices are bound to be
> > repeated.
> >
> > The short ansewr to really is really.
> > On Sep 30, 2013 2:40 PM, "jonathonssemanda@hotmail.com" <
> > jonathonssemanda@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Mr. Kironde,
> > >
> > > You stated "that such records will be handy in Federal and State
> Courts"
> > >
> > > Seriously????
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Sep 30, 2013, at 3:50 PM, "Edriss Kironde" <
> edriss.kironde@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > The Kenyan high court ruled today that there irregularities in Senator
> > > Wetangula ekection in Bungoma and thus nullified.  He was announced and
> > > even sworn in, he is no longer in the Senate. I am sure the UNAA EC
> kept
> > > the ballots and one need not be a genius to  know why . Since the
> process
> > > is questionable,  such records will become handy in Federal and State
> > > courts as Rahim deadline he issued with intent to sue is nearing today.
> > > On Sep 30, 2013 1:24 PM, "donosen@yahoo.com" <donosen@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mr. Musinguzi,
> > >>  I understand you are addressing Mr. Musoke but please allow me to ask
> > >> this.
> > >>
> > >> Scenario:******
> > >>  Nick (me) did not send in anything to the UNAAEC but somehow I have a
> > >> buddy on the team (EC) who sneaks my name on the ballot and my wife
> > votes
> > >> for me - winning the seat unopposed.
> > >>  Weeks down the road someone finds out that not only didn't I submit
> any
> > >> documentation, I did not meet basic requirements to be on the ballot.
> > ***
> > >> *
> > >> Does my case require to be referred to the council or can the BOT just
> > >> out right kick me out since I was not supposed to be there in the
> first
> > >> place? ****
> > >>  I am sure the article you referred to only applies to genuinely
> elected
> > >> member who met all requirements. Is that correct?****
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your time.
> > >>
> > >> NNK
> > >>
> > >>   *From:* Martin Musinguzi <musinguzimartin@gmail.com>
> > >> *To:* donosen@yahoo.com
> > >> *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2013 12:47 PM
> > >> *Subject:* UNAALIST RESPONSE to MUSOKE: Message To UNAA Members
> > >>
> > >>  Mr. Musoke:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for reaching out for an explanation. Unfortunately, I do not
> have
> > >> to explain as the Constitution spells it out quite clearly. Here goes:
> > >>
> > >> 1) Finality of the BOT Decision: The decision regarding Mr. Kabagambe,
> > >> inasmuchas, it is a BOT decision, to the rest of UNAA -is or should be
> > but
> > >> a "RECOMMENDATION" pursuant to the UNAA Constitution:
> > >>
> > >> Art. 5.2: (enumerating) Powers and responsibilities of the UNAA Board
> of
> > >> Trustees: The UNAA Board of Trustees shall *inter alia:*
> > >> f) *Recommend *to the UNAA Council the suspension or impeachment with
> > >> cause any member of the Council, Executive Committee or the Board of
> > >> Trustees, and to present the* decision* of the Council to the next
> > >> Annual General Meeting *for review and final disposition*; (emphasis
> all
> > >> mine for sake of clarity)
> > >>
> > >>  According to the latest (9th Ed.) Black's Law Dictionary, a search
> for
> > >> "recommendation" turns up one result : "report with recommendation" -
> > thus
> > >> it is not even dignified with its own definition here! However,
> Black's
> > Law
> > >> highlights the fact that a report normally comes with a
> recommendation.
> > >> Defined as: *A formal oral or written presentation of facts or a
> > >> recommendation for action.*  Thus, the UNAA BOT is supposed to
> > >> investigate a petition, and make a report of its findings with
> > appropriate
> > >> recommendations.
> > >>
> > >> 2) On your second question, the body that is supposed to subject a
> UNAA
> > >> BOT Recommendation (NOT Decision) to *further review* is the UNAA AGM
> > >> and that would  be AFTER the UNAA Council has made a Decision on
> [that]
> > >> recommendation (sic).
> > >>
> > >> My brother, Mr. Musoke, I do NOT see how the BOT Decision or
> > >> Recommendation can be final without being subject to further review by
> > the
> > >> UNAA Council and the Almighty UNAA AGM. I hope this simple explanation
> > >> allays your confusion.
> > >>
> > >> Respectfully,
> > >>
> > >>  Martin Musinguzi, Esq
> > >>
> > >> Musinguzi Law Group
> > >> 525 North Tryon St.
> > >> Suite 1600
> > >> Charlotte, NC 28202
> > >> +1(617) 416-0749
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  On Sep 30, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Joseph Musoke wrote:
> > >>
> > >>    Mr Musinguzi,
> > >> I am confused about your statement that the BoT "...decision regarding
> > Mr
> > >> Kabagambe is not final and is *clearly* subject to further review".
> > >> (Emphasis is mine).
> > >> 1. why isn't it final?
> > >> 2. which body would subject it to further review?
> > >> thanks
> > >>
> > >> For a faster response please contact me at 415.789.6427
> > >>
> > >>   *From:* Martin Musinguzi <musinguzimartin@gmail.com>
> > >> *To:* joseph.musoke@ymail.com
> > >> *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2013 3:17 PM
> > >> *Subject:* UNAALIST Message To UNAA Members
> > >>
> > >>  Patrick:
> > >>
> > >> I wouldn't go as far as saying the BOT has *failed* since their
> decision
> > >> and/or recommendation regarding Mr. Kabagambe is not final and is
> > clearly
> > >> subject to further review.
> > >>
> > >> Apart from positively being guilty of exercising an over-zealous
> > >> eagerness to serve their constituents (UNAA), this thing can be
> resolved
> > >> without resorting to legal recourse. As the UNAA Constitution and any
> > >> lawyer will advise, legal action should be the very last resort,
> > >> particularly in this case. On that note, in my humble opinion "Legal
> > >> Implications" should not even be discussed.
> > >>
> > >> So hold your horses, this doozie will yet be resolved -hopefully
> before
> > >> Mr. Kabagambe's Deadline!
> > >>
> > >> Respectfully,
> > >>
> > >>  Martin Musinguzi, Esq
> > >>
> > >> Musinguzi Law Group
> > >> 525 North Tryon St.
> > >> Suite 1600
> > >> Charlotte, NC 28202
> > >> +1(617) 416-0749
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  On Sep 27, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Patrick Ogwang wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Members:
> > >> The BOT has failed us.
> > >> Rahim Kabagambe, you are a very kind man.
> > >> We pray the BOT has the presence of mind to capture how big this is
> and
> > >> steer clean of any legal action
> > >> Martin, Liz, Joseph(lawyers)
> > >> What are legal implications assuming this goes legal?
> > >> Patrick Ogwang
> > >> President UAADFW
> > >>
> > >> On Sep 27, 2013 5:03 PM, "Martin Musinguzi" <
> musinguzimartin@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thank you, Rahim Kabagambe, for clearing the air. I was wondering when
> > >> you were going to stand up. I guess the ball is now in the UNAA BOT's
> > >> court.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you Liz Rukundo for such an excellent dissection of the UNAA
> > >> Constitution. Very refreshing!
> > >>
> > >> Thank you all again.
> > >>
> > >> Respectfully,
> > >>
> > >>  Martin Musinguzi, Esq
> > >>
> > >> Musinguzi Law Group
> > >> 525 North Tryon St.
> > >> Suite 1600
> > >> Charlotte, NC 28202
> > >> +1(617) 416-0749
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Rahim Kabagambe wrote:
> > >>
> > >>    Dear UNAA Members,
> > >>
> > >> On September 24th the Chairman of the BOT posted a very disturbing
> > >> ruling which stated that after very careful examination the UNAA BOT
> > >> concluded that I was not a member in good standing by August 15th and
> > >> that I fraudulently sought to become the Male Youth Representative for
> > >> Canada.
> > >>
> > >> The Chairman of the BOT did in fact call me a few days ago and in a
> very
> > >> short conversation asked who I was among other pleasantries. Not once
> > did
> > >> he ask me about my payment for UNAA Membership or the circumstance of
> > who
> > >> nominated me as a candidate.
> > >>
> > >> My fellow members, I wish the Chairman had asked me these simple
> > >> questions and given me a chance to explain myself. It would have saved
> > UNAA
> > >> members all this pain and the BOT great embarrassment. It would also
> > have
> > >> saved me the great embarrassment of being unfairly labeled as a fraud.
> > >>
> > >> Please be informed that I have just been copied on an email to the
> UNAA
> > >> EC and the UNAABOT which contains powerful, incontrovertible and
> > >> irrefutable evidence that I became a UNAA member on August 14th 2013.
> > >>
> > >> I have also asked the Chairman of the UNAA BOT to set the record
> > straight
> > >> by completely withdrawing his very injurious ruling and issuing on
> > UNAALIST
> > >> a declaration which states that the UNAA BOT Investigation fell short,
> > that
> > >> I was a fully paid up UNAA Member on August 14th 2013 and that the
> UNAA
> > >> BOT was not able to prove any fraud on my part. I have asked that this
> > very
> > >> fair and balanced request be posted before 5pm 30th September 2013 to
> > >> UNAALIST and all other forums; UNAANET, UAH, KigeziNet, UAA-DFW, etc
> on
> > >> which the communication has been forwarded to.
> > >>
> > >> I am a young Ugandan who is trying to make a difference in my life and
> > my
> > >> community. I am just setting out on my career, building a personal
> > >> reputation and I take ethics very seriously. I hope you can all
> > understand
> > >> the great danger of having emails all over the internet accusing me of
> > >> fraudulent activity.
> > >>
> > >> Indeed some of you on UNAALIST have propagated what are clearly
> serious
> > >> lies from the Chairman of the UNAA BOT. Please cease this destructive
> > >> action. Under these circumstances, I also hope you will all understand
> > that
> > >> if the Chairman of the BOT does not issue this retraction to my
> > >> satisfaction, I will seek legal action. I hope it does not come to
> that
> > >> though since as a duly elected UNAA Council member, I will be working
> > with
> > >> him for the next two years as he is a colleague in the UNAA
> leadership.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you very much for your time and patience as we work through all
> > >> this, and I look forward to having all this behind us.
> > >>
> > >> Rahim Kabagambe
> > >> UNAA Council - Male Youth, Canada
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Ugandan North America Association . 1337 Massac