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SV: {UAH} Calais Migrant Crisis: Attention Akim Odong

Akim,
"............ I still contend that the problem at Calais can only be dealt with by looking at causation. Something the west have turned a blinder to because they know their hand in all these will be exposed..............." 

Jal wee,the relevant "CAUSE" FROM THE RECEPTOR'S vantage point
may not be the cause from the immigrants.

Look, from the common or regular European on the street, the cause
is their own political immigration policy!!

They don't give a damn about the causes in native or craddle over there.

For them, it is respective party's policy the target.

That is where the cause is inbaked.
Noc'la gaumoy
"WE FORM THE CULTURE THAT FORMS US"….noc'la gaumoy.



Den fredag, 31 juli 2015 18:07 skrev George Okello <opallog@gmail.com>:


Comrade Akim,

The UK government has just ended a marrathon emergency cabinet meeting
and have issued a statement which just reinforces their  previous
position. They have rejected the French offer to transfer the border
post from Calais on the French side to Dover on the UK side. The
problem is to be treated as a security problem and the migrants are to
be removed from Calais, none to be allowed to enter the UK. The UK
will erect eletronic and other fences in Calais to reinforce the
current ones which can be easily breached. The UK will also send
police and snifer dogs to support the French police. The two
governments determined not to allow militant action by migrants to
change existing policies law on asylum; in otherwords, no asylum
seeker will be allowed to choose where to seek asylum. There is an
estimated 5,000 migrants at Calais and thousands more, possibly 20,000
heading there to try their lack tonigt and tommorrow before the French
tighten up and begin using criminal sanctions like arrests,
prosecutions and deportations.
On the UK side of the border, there is great anger aganist the
government's handling of the crisis. There is still grid-lock on the
roads, some lorries have been stagnant for three days now. The queue
on the roads is stretching for more than 100 miles from Dover right up
to where I live in Hertsfordshire. It is also the holiday season here,
so many holiday makers can not cross the tunnel to go to Europe. It is
particularly bad for transporters of perishable goods. To make it
worse, the government has imposed a fine of £20,000 on every truck
that is discovered to have a migrant hiding at the back of their
lorries.

Akim, this crisis is a total PR disaster for the cause of the
migrants, as far as the residents of Kent and the sorrounding areas
bordering France are concerned. Calais itself is so badly affected. It
is a tourist town and at this time, it would be expecting thousands of
tourists bringing income to a variety of local businesses. Instead,
they have a "jungle" camp with thousands of desperate foreigners from
all over the world overwhelming the entire city and interrupting their
lives in  a manner that is almost unimaginable. There is crime and
serious anti-social activity in the camps requiring expensive police
surveillance round the clock.  The local authorities in these areas
have moreorless declared states of emergency. There is so much anger
against the two governments, why they can not clear up Calais port of
the migrants and open up the tunnel to normal business.
The only solution would have to be a Europe wide one on how to deal
with the estimated 180,000 migrants who are now in Europe, who have
enterred through the Med Sea over the last six months. By resorting to
militant action and trying to forcefully break into the UK, I think
the migrants have not done themselves a favour, as they have pushed
David Cameron into a tight corner as he can not allow himself to be
giving in to a change in government pollicy of allowing a group of
migrants to enter the country without following the normal immigration
procedure.

George Okello

On 7/31/15, akim odong <akimodong@gmail.com> wrote:
> George Okello;
>
> Thank you for your detailed and educative piece, and i think if every would
> be immigrant was asked to read it, I believe it would still not put them
> off trying bcos everything is still better than what is on the offing in
> their original countries. Otherwise, we would have seen the reversal of
> settled immigrants heading to their country of origin after the negative
> experience. After all the Greece Drogma is still better than the shilling
> in anywhere.
>
> I still contend that the problem at Calais can only be dealt with by
> looking at causation. Something the west have turned a blinder to because
> they know their hand in all these will be exposed.
>
> By all means send me Maxi's view; out date as it maybe, i still want to
> know what his thoughts were on immigration. Whether he ever thought that
> Britain would one day call out for bus drivers from the Windies or Indian
> "techis" to go and run for them their IT system and not to mention the
> African nurses stumping the hospital corridors to keep the natives alive. I
> will not even mention the non dorms who have brought their looted
> investment to keep the British workers in work. Dare i even talk about the
> army of Portuguese and Brazilians who have burnt their citizenship in
> favour of Angolan?
>
> When the world changes it is bcos views change.
>
> Akim
>
>
> *Tolerance is a stage in civilisation!*
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 10:57 AM, George Okello <opallog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Comrade Akim Odong,
>>
>> 1. Greece is bankrupt and is failing to pay its pensioners. It has
>> laid off thousands of workers and unemployment is at around 60%. It
>> has been forced to accept a severe austerity programme by the EU in
>> return for loans which will see further cuts in any remaining social
>> welfare benefits. Asylum seekers do not recieve any state benefits.
>> Charities that previously helped asylum seekers are now helping fellow
>> Greeks who have become destitute. There is mass migration by Greeks to
>> Australia and Canada. Asylum seekers are under constant attacks by far
>> right and fascist groups. The country is just a transit post. No
>> migrants want to settle there.
>> 2. Cyprus is a major entry point for migrants from the Med Sea. It
>> does not pay any social welfare to migrants. As a major entry point
>> for immigrants, it recieves grants from the EU to assist migrants
>> rescued at sea and to process asylum claims. It does not give any cash
>> benefits, only temporary housing and soup kitchens. Cyprus is a very
>> small country with a small economy- most migrants expect to move on
>> after a few months.
>> 3. Italy is at the front-line as an entry point of migrants from
>> Africa. Theoretically asylum seekers can get benefits, but only after
>> their claims have been processed, a process that can take years. In
>> practice, the government does not even bother to process asylum claims
>> as it expects the asylum seekers to move on after a few months. Most
>> migrants are supported by charities. There is widespread racist
>> opposition to migrants. Many migrants work as petty traders in markets
>> and many women are driven into prostitution.
>> 4. Spain is the same as Italy. There is massive unemployment and
>> almost no jobs for migrants. Thousands of Spaniards have left their
>> country to work in other EU countries.
>> 5. France theoretically accepts refugees, but only those who have been
>> processed and accepted. Most migrants in France have passed through
>> other EU countries so they automatically don't qualify for refugee
>> status in France and therefore do not qualify for any state benefits.
>> Under refugee law, a refugee must apply for refugee status in the
>> first country of safety he gets to after fleeing his own country.
>> France's only duty is to process their claims and then return them to
>> that first country of safety, which would be Italy or Greece, or the
>> east European countries of Poland, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Croatia. No
>> migrant wants to be returned to these countries.
>>
>> Comrade Akim, I am just summarising the position for you. A majority
>> of the migrants  want to go to the UK or Germany or the Scandinavian
>> countries, countries which still provide welfare benefits to asylum
>> seekers. In the UK, the added advantage is that it is easier to get
>> work, unlike in countries like Sweden which pay generous benefits but
>> is a dead-end as far as employment is concerned. A majority of Ugandan
>> asylum seekers in Sweden move to the UK as soon as their asylum claims
>> are granted because they cant get work in Sweden. In Germany, they
>> would have to learn the language in order to work- which is a big
>> deterrent to most migrants as German colonialism was limited to very
>> few countries.
>> So, it is because of this that the UK still remains the main country
>> that almost all asylum seekers and migrants want to go to.
>>
>> The UK welfare state was established by the Labour Party after the war
>> and its basic premise is that no single person on UK soil should be
>> left completely destitute and that the state should step in to help
>> those that are in need. The UK welfare state, and especially the
>> National Health Service, and its creed of providing free health care
>> for all from the craddle to the grave is one of the biggest
>> achievements of socialists anywhere in the world. But this welfare
>> state is now coming under severe pressure because the Conservatives
>> want to abolish it altogether and replace it with the American private
>> Insurance driven approach. With the pressures being put on it
>> everyday, and new demands from migration, it is little wonder people
>> now debate how long the welfare state can last.
>>
>> Comrade Akim Odong, please also remember that the UK Labour Party has
>> traditionally been ideologically opposed to migration. It is the
>> Conservative Party that has consistently been pro-migration because at
>> every stage in the development of the UK economy, they saw cheap
>> labour as the engine of growth. Contrary to what people think, that
>> Conservatives are racist, they are the ones who encouraged black and
>> Indian migration to the UK because they wanted cheap labour. Th Labour
>> Party stood in oppostion to any migration to the UK for a number of
>> reasons:
>> 1) that it was a ruse to undercut working conditions of UK workers by
>> importing of cheap labour
>> 2) that as an internationalist party, that it was its duty to
>> encourage all working people to remain in their own countries and
>> fight to change working conditions and ultimately to capture state
>> power and establish socialism. The core of the Lbour Party believe in
>> socialism and supports workers struggles every where in the world and
>> is opposed to migration.
>>
>> I dont have time now, but later on I will wirte for a you a Marxist
>> position on this question of Migration and Free Movement of Labour.
>> Karl Marx was opposed to it, as he saw it as a duty of every working
>> person to struggle to change the working conditions in his own
>> country.
>>
>>
>> George Okello
>>
>> On 7/31/15, akim odong <akimodong@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > George Okello;
>> >
>> > This statement is false;  but very few migrants want to stay in
>> > Greece,
>> > Cyprus, Italy, Spain or France, the countries they
>> > have to transit in order to get to the UK or northern Europe because
>> these
>> > countries do not pay any welfare benefits.  Every member state in the
>> > EU
>> > pays some form of social welfare and by my understanding, Germany,
>> > Sweden
>> > and not UK provide better welfare service. What i find distasteful is
>> > you
>> > lumping these immigrants as all welfare seekers. George Okello, were
>> > you
>> a
>> > welfare seeker when you left Uganda? I don't think so. You wanted
>> > safety,
>> > security, rights etc and that is what these immigrants are after.
>> > Please
>> > stop aiding the far rights from pulling the drawbridge at Calais.
>> >
>> > Akim
>> >
>> > *Tolerance is a stage in civilisation!*
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 8:32 AM, George Okello <opallog@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Comrade Akim Odong,
>> >>
>> >> Please lsiten to the BBC World Service now if you can. They are
>> >> interviewing immigrants in the so-called "Jungle" in Calais, the
>> >> make-shift camp where over 2,000 migrants are living. What these
>> >> immigrants say is what frightens the British voter on the street and
>> >> is making David Cameron and the right-wing and fascist organisations
>> >> to become even more reluctant to admit any of the immigrants to the
>> >> UK. In the interviews, every single migrant says their main reason for
>> >> wanting to enter the UK  is because they will get weekly social
>> >> benefits and housing. They say they will finally be able to rest and
>> >> relax and begin looking for a job or college to study once they arrive
>> >> in the UK. Of course everyone needs to lead a secure, safe and stable
>> >> life, but the UK welfare system is under severe attack by the
>> >> Conservative government. The government has instituted austerity
>> >> measures which  include  severe cutbacks in welfare benefits of £12
>> >> billion. Most families on benefits have had their rates of benefits
>> >> cut, most disability benefits have been removed, large familes can
>> >> only claim child benefits for two children only, the social services
>> >> budget to support the elderly and the sick has been reduced by more
>> >> than 50%, student grants have been abolished etc etc. Now to tell
>> >> these millions of people who are under attack by a very uncaring
>> >> Conservative government that there are also thousands of immigrants
>> >> camped on the border with France who also want to come and claim these
>> >> same benefits and reduced social services!!! You can imagine the anger
>> >> and animosity these people will have towards immigrants. This is the
>> >> tightrope the government has to walk. Many of these immigrants
>> >> actually have made asylum applications in Italy, Spain and France but
>> >> are not interested in following up once they discover there are no
>> >> welfare benefits paid in those countries. David Cameron is  right now
>> >> having an emergency cabinet meeting on this migrant crisis. It is not
>> >> clear what new policies they will come up with. Yesterday they
>> >> published statistics showing that 182,000 migrants enterred Italy via
>> >> the Med Sea in the last six months of whom about 20,000 are right now
>> >> camped in France, trying to enter the UK illegally.  Some have headed
>> >> for Germany and the Scandinavian countries, but very few migrants want
>> >> to stay in Greece, Cyprus, Italy, Spain or France, the countries they
>> >> have to transit in order to get to the UK or northern Europe because
>> >> these countries do not pay any welfare benefits.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> George Okello.
>> >>
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